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Is Bird Sand Necessary ?

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I think there is also a big difference between our caged/housed birds and the wild birds- wild birds have no human interference so they learn all the important and pre learned stuff from their parent birds but the birds we humans breed and tame are interfered with from often as early as the owners can force themselves into the picture which means all our pet birds have much less information passed onto them from parents. We often find many issues of pica, plucking, impactions etc in pet birds whereas we do not hear of see of these problems in wild birds.

My point is that we can not really say that birds have lived successfully for thousands of years without problems and line that up with our pet birds as our pet birds are nothing like their wild cousins.
The time man has caged pet birds is minute compared to how long theyve been around. Wild or tame, i think theyre knowledge is hardwired over thousands and thousands of years. At what point will parent birds be tamed out of knowing how to care for and raise young? It wont ever happen. Its in their dna.
 

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The time man has caged pet birds is minute compared to how long theyve been around. Wild or tame, i think theyre knowledge is hardwired over thousands and thousands of years. At what point will parent birds be tamed out of knowing how to care for and raise young? It wont ever happen. Its in their dna.
Plenty of birds completely fail at being parents, including wild birds. I don't understand the point. Birds, like any other animal (or human) can do things detrimental to their health.
 
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Plenty of birds completely fail at being parents, including wild birds. I don't understand the point. Birds, like any other animal (or human) can do things detrimental to their health.
The point is, captivity isnt going to change natural instincts encoded in dna. Of course there are exceptions to the rule just like anything.
 

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The point is, captivity isnt going to change natural instincts encoded in dna. Of course there are exceptions to the rule just like anything.
I would go as far as to say that many natural instincts are learned behaviors. A bird who is clipped before they are fully fledged is unlikely to be a strong or confident flier, they may not even know they have wings. This is something they would learn and be taught, like being taught by their parents what foods are safe etc. I wouldn't put something that risks impaction in an animals cage just because they *might* know better. Odds are they don't even need the extra calcium if they have a balanced diet. Or you could give them eggshells or another healthy alternative.
 

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The time man has caged pet birds is minute compared to how long theyve been around. Wild or tame, i think theyre knowledge is hardwired over thousands and thousands of years. At what point will parent birds be tamed out of knowing how to care for and raise young? It wont ever happen. Its in their dna.
I do not believe everything is hardwired, take flight for example- yes it is hardwired to wish to fly and try it but it has also been shown/recognised that birds who are not allowed to fledge naturally do not ever fly as well as those who were allowed to naturally fledge, there are also apparently other things they have issues with like mapping, skills for different situations, reflexes etc many things need to be learned through experience at certain ages to be perfected and others are passed from parent to young in the way of showing them, I do think some things are in the DNA just as they are with humans but even when human children miss certain milestones for speech for example they will never be able to perfect the sounds needed for them to speak without an obvious issue.
There are many learned behaviours that captive bred birds miss out on especially when we humans interfere too early.
 

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I would personally NOT give sand or to my birds. I always use newspaper in the bottom of the cage.
 
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