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Hand raised baby Cockatiel vs Parent raised 1y.old Pionus

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Greetings,

me and my wife are thinking about getting a parrot for many months and it would be our first bird without previous bird experience. Our only experience is taming a flock of street pigeons in a couple of months :-D. We are able to hand feed them, some of them can step-up.
We were already settled on getting a hand raised male cockatiel, but, couple of days ago, we visited a very small breeder of bluehead pionus and saw a female, who is less than a one year old aviary parent raised, which sort of stole our hearts :-D.

How i see it - Advantages of a hand raised cockatiel:
Smaller size (we have a small flat)
Smaller beak (possible biting, etc)
Probably not so difficult to cope with when hormonal? (i have limited knowledge here)
Easy start and trainable almost from the beggining.
Easier to travel - do trips with (because of hand raising. But also, i am not educated enought here, so thats why i ask :D)
Maybe more entertaining? I am a music teacher and i
absolutely love their singing and rhytmical ability :-D.

Disadvantages:
Might bond "too much" to the point where he would be too sad for being alone for a period of time (couple of hours? We dont really have an exact time schedule).
Might get too noisy when go out and be too dependand.
Poops more often :-D
Dust.

Blue Head Pionus advantages:

She is just strikingly beautiful and has that special sort of
"aura" or how to say it.
Elegant and calm.
Very pleasant sounds.
Independent - from what i read, pionuses tend to be sort of ok on their own compared to other breeds.

Disadvantages: She is not used to people at all and lives in an aviary
with 2 cockatiels most of her life. She does not step up
for the breeder, she was never trained. So, i am afraid, it
might be super stresfull for her to suddenly move to a flat.
It might take a very long time to train her and to form a
bond.
It might be very difficult to take her on a trip, or just on a
walk.
Might be difficult when hormonal for a starter.

Afther all, i am a patient person and like the idea of a long process of bonding and training but on the other hand, we decided for a hand raised initially because we could include a bird to our lives faster and with less complications for us and the bird. And of course, we have basically zero experience.

So, there is this dilema beetween a small hand raised baby we could form it's beaviour from the almost begining, bond and train "easily" and is maybe more entertaing breed - or to go throught the long proces with a wild parent raised aviary bird who is bigger, might be difficult to train and bond but in the long run might be a superb calm and not so demanding "independent" bird.

Afther visiting the pionus, we were very emotional and almost confirmed that we will take her, but afther two days, cockatiel seems more rational.


I would be very thankfull for a feedback from experienced parrot owners, because we seem unable to decide and we have to.
 

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Get the bird your heart is set on! To me it sounds like your heart wants the pionus but your head is telling you smaller is easier and pushing you towards the tiel.

Hormones are not a fun thing for any owner of any species and each bird will have its unique challenges for its owners especially when hormonal- it can come with health and behaviour issues.


I personally would go the pionus given the things you say about how you felt seeing her.
 

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Greetings,

me and my wife are thinking about getting a parrot for many months and it would be our first bird without previous bird experience. Our only experience is taming a flock of street pigeons in a couple of months :-D. We are able to hand feed them, some of them can step-up.
We were already settled on getting a hand raised male cockatiel, but, couple of days ago, we visited a very small breeder of bluehead pionus and saw a female, who is less than a one year old aviary parent raised, which sort of stole our hearts :-D.

How i see it - Advantages of a hand raised cockatiel:
Smaller size (we have a small flat)
Smaller beak (possible biting, etc)
Probably not so difficult to cope with when hormonal? (i have limited knowledge here)
Easy start and trainable almost from the beggining.
Easier to travel - do trips with (because of hand raising. But also, i am not educated enought here, so thats why i ask :D)
Maybe more entertaining? I am a music teacher and i
absolutely love their singing and rhytmical ability :-D.

Disadvantages:
Might bond "too much" to the point where he would be too sad for being alone for a period of time (couple of hours? We dont really have an exact time schedule).
Might get too noisy when go out and be too dependand.
Poops more often :-D
Dust.

Blue Head Pionus advantages:

She is just strikingly beautiful and has that special sort of
"aura" or how to say it.
Elegant and calm.
Very pleasant sounds.
Independent - from what i read, pionuses tend to be sort of ok on their own compared to other breeds.

Disadvantages: She is not used to people at all and lives in an aviary
with 2 cockatiels most of her life. She does not step up
for the breeder, she was never trained. So, i am afraid, it
might be super stresfull for her to suddenly move to a flat.
It might take a very long time to train her and to form a
bond.
It might be very difficult to take her on a trip, or just on a
walk.
Might be difficult when hormonal for a starter.

Afther all, i am a patient person and like the idea of a long process of bonding and training but on the other hand, we decided for a hand raised initially because we could include a bird to our lives faster and with less complications for us and the bird. And of course, we have basically zero experience.

So, there is this dilema beetween a small hand raised baby we could form it's beaviour from the almost begining, bond and train "easily" and is maybe more entertaing breed - or to go throught the long proces with a wild parent raised aviary bird who is bigger, might be difficult to train and bond but in the long run might be a superb calm and not so demanding "independent" bird.

Afther visiting the pionus, we were very emotional and almost confirmed that we will take her, but afther two days, cockatiel seems more rational.


I would be very thankfull for a feedback from experienced parrot owners, because we seem unable to decide and we have to.
I would recommend a cockatiel to anyone, especially for a first parrot.
I would also go for a hand reared bird over one that was raised by the parent.
 

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I would recommend the bird that you have fallen in love with! 1 year of being parent raised is a lot shorter than a life worth of bonding.
 

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You should get the bird you want the most. I really don't think hand reared or parent reared really matters.
 

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Thank you for your replies! We are leaning towards Pionus.

I am still afraid, if it would'nt be too much of shock for her to end up in a flat as she lives in outdoor aviary (not big) now. And even if we were able to tame street pigeons and read read and read a lot for months, we are begginers and i don't know, if this would not be a very difficult start. We love her at the first sight but don't know, if we are good enought for her :)

There is a picture of her, we already namen her Johanka (Johanna in english i Guess). I think there are her parents besides her, she lives with 2cockatiels. She seems like she hates them, but bears with them :D. She really seems super calm, but we spent just about 30minutes max next to her aviary.
 

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Thank you for your replies! We are leaning towards Pionus.

I am still afraid, if it would'nt be too much of shock for her to end up in a flat as she lives in outdoor aviary (not big) now. And even if we were able to tame street pigeons and read read and read a lot for months, we are begginers and i don't know, if this would not be a very difficult start. We love her at the first sight but don't know, if we are good enought for her :)

There is a picture of her, we already namen her Johanka (Johanna in english i Guess). I think there are her parents besides her, she lives with 2cockatiels. She seems like she hates them, but bears with them :D. She really seems super calm, but we spent just about 30minutes max next to her aviary.
Not a Pionus but I have cockatiels. One hand raised and one parent raised (guess I’ll have to announce now since the forum doesn’t know lol). It doesn’t make a difference in the end. Both my girls are extremely friendly and Navi adjusted to human attention (my parent raised). All birds have potential. Get the bird your heart wants which from my end seems like the Pionus!
 

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I would recommend a cockatiel to anyone, especially for a first parrot.
First meaning the first before another. The problem is some folks just want one bird, and depending on the age of the person, they may be expecting to just live with one bird for the rest of their life. So going with the one the person truly wants is very important.

You should get the bird you want the most. I really don't think hand reared or parent reared really matters.
All birds have potential. Get the bird your heart wants
I agree with the above.

Plus, 1 year old Pionus is still a youngster.
@Fuzzy @zoo mom
 

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Get the bird you want, as long as your lifestyle is compatible. At least for us, anytime we've compromised on what we really wanted to do pet-wise, we ended up with both eventually anyway. <.< >.>

We have a cockatiel and a new pionus and, even though she's young, the pionus is less needy than the cockatiel was both as a young bird and now. I will say that, if the pionus isn't tame, be prepared to be patient. Our very well socialized cockatiel is the first bird we got, and we had an overly optimistic impression of how easy taming would be with future birds as a result, so we were in for a surprise with our second bird, for whom things have been a process - a very slow, but gradually improving process. If you're willing to put in the time, I think you'll be fine either way. The only other caveat I have regarding a pionus vs cockatiel is that ours is about a hundred times messier than our cockatiel and rosy Bourke's parakeet combined. She drops and flings food like nobody's business.
 

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I too say, get the bird you want in your heart. I am not familiar with living with cockatiels so I will speak about the Pionus. If the Pionus is definitely a hen, she will likely be easier than a male Pionus - less aggressive in hormonal times. Parent reared will mean she knows she is a bird and will likely be able to entertain herself. It will certainly take time to gain her trust if she isn't used to humans. But that is easy to do if you look out for food she likes and work on getting her to take those morsels from you. As soon as she does that, you can teach her anything using treats as reinforcers for behaviours you want to see more of... such as step up, etc. (As you did with the pigeons!) Ollie, Orange-winged Amazon, came to me untame. Because I worked so hard in gaining his trust, he became incredibly special to me - I was elated at any and every tiny achievement we made. I'd say get a decent sized cage for her since she is used to space, depending on how long she is going to spend in the cage. Remember all birds are flock creatures so being left for hours alone isn't so good for any bird.
 

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First meaning the first before another. The problem is some folks just want one bird, and depending on the age of the person, they may be expecting to just live with one bird for the rest of their life. So going with the one the person truly wants is very important.
I agree and seeing the OP is torn between 2 birds and asking for our opinions, mine is that the hand reared baby cockatiel is the better option
 

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I would recommend a cockatiel to anyone, especially for a first parrot
I would also go for a hand reared bird over one that was raised by the parent.
I respectfully disagree on both counts.

Cockatiels are known for dust. Maybe they would like to consider that.

Long term (over their lifespan, well past sexual maturity) parent raised birds are prone to less self destructive/neurotic behaviours (plucking, mutilating, constant screaming). Personally, I like what’s being seen with coparenting & parent raised.

I think they both sound great & they should follow their heart. :heart:
 

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As an outsider, I'm like "PI-O-NUS! PI-O-NUS! TEAM PIONUS ALL THE WAY!!" :cheer: But if this was a decision for myself, I'd put more weight on the practical side of the decision than on what my heart wants.

I faced a similar dilemma when deciding on the best species for me and my school aged kids: budgie vs cockatiel. Our hearts were set on a cockatiel because they have everything a budgie’s got AND MORE! Fun personality, not too large of a beak (lower risk of injury if my kids get bit), very interactive, and tiels are more likely to be cuddly/affectionate than budgies, which we REALLY wanted.

I've had both budgies and tiels before, so I knew from experience that budgies are more simple and less time-consuming to care for than tiels. Our family lives a very busy life, so ultimately, we made the more practical choice and are now owned by two little budgies! :)

We still long to have a tiel in our lives, but I'm certain that budgies are the best choice for us. If we'd followed our hearts, we could have very well ended up rehoming our tiel as we struggled to keep up with giving it the best care.

You don’t mention what your life situation currently is. Are you a young couple planning to have kids at some point? Mid-life with no kids but busy careers? Close to retirement with an empty nest? All of that could impact the quality of life you can give your bird long term, and worth considering.

If you'll have ample time to devote to this bird, I say that Johanka is the one! Keep us updated - I can't wait to hear what you and your wife decide!
 

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I respectfully disagree on both counts.

Cockatiels are known for dust. Maybe they would like to consider that.

Long term (over their lifespan, well past sexual maturity) parent raised birds are prone to less self destructive/neurotic behaviours (plucking, mutilating, constant screaming). Personally, I like what’s being seen with coparenting & parent raised.

I think they both sound great & they should follow their heart. :heart:
You allowed to have your opinion against cockatiels but your reasoning is very poor. All birds are dusty and cockatiels aren't associated with the behaviours you mentioned.

Most birds that are parent raised won't ever be as tame as a hand reared bird, especially after a year old. So if you don't mind a wild bird to look at for an aviary then that's fine, but if you want to handle your bird and have a good bond with it then hand raised is always better than parent raised
 
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I think heart wins over rational on this account. It may take a bit longer to begin with but the bond you will have is amazing when you put in the time to do it right. Also as a parent raised, this bird is already not expecting a lot of attention which will allow you to ramp up the attention to the level you are able to provide on a long term basis. My Walter (African Gray) was likely wild caught and parent raised and yet he was the most wonderful bird. (I put a lot of time into him, especially early on). If you have the space (for a bigger bird) and the time and the patience, I think you will do great. She is beautiful btw. Really it is a win win choice. So I say, flip a coin, while the coin is in the air, you will have a brief moment when you mind wishes for the coin to land one way or another. Go with that thought no matter what the coin lands on. One lifetime heart bird, IMO, is far more satisfying than a couple of good birds all other things withstanding. My first experience with birds was literally my African gray. From there I stepped up to working with a Golden Eagle. Don't let the size dissuade you unless it is an issue of space and size of cage.
 

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Cockatiels are known, along with all the cockatoos & greys, to be the dustiest birds, even compared to other ‘old world’ (for lack of a better term) birds.

I’m not knocking tiels, which I greatly admire, but we should be honest. I have dusty birds too, though not as dusty as tiels.

Only one of my budgies isn’t hand shy. There used to be two, but one had to be euthanized last month due to incurable illness. I love the other hand shy eight all the same.

Cats & dogs don’t generally mind petting or coddling, & many enjoy it. I believe in treating species in a species appropriate manner. Imprinting & parental deprivation (AKA hand feeding) is controversial for a reason.

BTW, cockatiels are actually sometimes afflicted by abnormal behaviours linked to hand feeding, such as abnormal mate aggression.

Please take the opportunity to read these articles & consider others’ opinions with an open mind. I stuck to free resources, but there are others.

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Incidentally, the two bravest budgies are/were my first - adult rescues. ;)
 

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Cockatiels are known, along with all the cockatoos & greys, to be the dustiest birds, even compared to other ‘old world’ (for lack of a better term) birds.

I’m not knocking tiels, which I greatly admire, but we should be honest. I have dusty birds too, though not as dusty as tiels.

Only one of my budgies isn’t hand shy. There used to be two, but one had to be euthanized last month due to incurable illness. I love the other hand shy eight all the same.

Cats & dogs don’t generally mind petting or coddling, & many enjoy it. I believe in treating species in a species appropriate manner. Imprinting & parental deprivation (AKA hand feeding) is controversial for a reason.

BTW, cockatiels are actually sometimes afflicted by abnormal behaviours linked to hand feeding, such as abnormal mate aggression.

Please take the opportunity to read these articles & consider others’ opinions with an open mind. I stuck to free resources, but there are others.

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Incidentally, the two bravest budgies are/were my first - adult rescues. ;)
Weirdly out of all my birds it’s been my parent raised female lovebird that’s been most hormonal most aggressive not that I am disagreeing with you at all I just wanted to say it pico plucked who was handreared so I don’t know I think a lot is down to bird what kind either parent or hand reared upbringing they have had what exposure they have had to different environments clutch mates toys foods etc


I also believe as @Shannan said that with a lot of time and patience parent reared birds don’t have to be untame
And I don’t believe all hand reared birds are super clingy remi and pip happily entertain themselves with toys
Pip was hand reared and he chooses when he wants attention and the attention he wants isn’t cuddles it’s playing but even when out he mostly prefers to forage and entertain himself or be with remi
 

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I think you should go for bird your heart wants
And the bird you feel you connect with
 

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I would recommend a cockatiel to anyone, especially for a first parrot.
I would also go for a hand reared bird over one that was raised by the parent.
I am sorry but I disagree with this I don’t think any bird is a good starter bird and I had a cockatiel about 9/10years ago although I do wish I knew what I know now she wasn’t an easy bird at all
And I disagree with over a parent raised bird it’s the time and effort you put into a bird the routine you have
Even hand reared birds aren’t guaranteed to be friendly it’s how they are raised if they aren’t interacted with correctly and just picked up for feeding you will not necessarily end up with a tame bird
 
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